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  YouTube's CoachDeeFree Reads Honest JW Proselytizing Letter

  by Roger Kirkpatrick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this woman's reactions as she reads this letter are absolutely spot on!

  be sure to hear her summation after reading the letter.. (142) creepy stuff happenin'//new (ex)jw letter?

  !//wtf really goin' on?//almost exjw rant//ep.

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  Roger Kirkpatrick

  This woman's reactions as she reads this letter are absolutely spot on! Be sure to hear her summation after reading the letter.

  (142) Creepy STUFF Happenin'//NEW (EX)JW LETTER?!//WTF REALLY GOIN' ON?//Almost ExJw Rant//Ep. 018 - YouTube
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  YouTube's 'Colder Pizza' Reads Hilarious Proselytizing Letter by Awakened PIMO JW

  by Roger Kirkpatrick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for the record, 'colder pizza' is the fifth youtuber to read this incredible letter.. jws hate this letter because it accurately expresses current watch tower teachings which they have embraced as "the truth" in language commonly used by jws in private conversation but would never express so candidly to non-jws.. most people have known at least one jw at some point in their life, but nobody knows what jws actually believe; therefore, they view jws as basically a harmless religion.

  this letter is designed to correct that common misapprehension.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7099bfvhvs&t=378s.

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  Roger Kirkpatrick

  I'm glad you got a good laugh out of the letter. IMHO, this type of activism is more effective at grabbing the attention of PIMI JWs than cart-crashing or kingdom hall-crashing.
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  YouTube's 'Colder Pizza' Reads Hilarious Proselytizing Letter by Awakened PIMO JW

  by Roger Kirkpatrick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for the record, 'colder pizza' is the fifth youtuber to read this incredible letter.. jws hate this letter because it accurately expresses current watch tower teachings which they have embraced as "the truth" in language commonly used by jws in private conversation but would never express so candidly to non-jws.. most people have known at least one jw at some point in their life, but nobody knows what jws actually believe; therefore, they view jws as basically a harmless religion.

  this letter is designed to correct that common misapprehension.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7099bfvhvs&t=378s.

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  Roger Kirkpatrick

  For the record, 'Colder Pizza' is the FIFTH YouTuber to read this incredible letter.

  JWs hate this letter because it accurately expresses current Watch Tower teachings which they have embraced as "the truth" in language commonly used by JWs in private conversation but would never express so candidly to non-JWs.

  Most people have known at least one JW at some point in their life, but nobody knows what JWs actually believe; therefore, they view JWs as basically a harmless religion. This letter is designed to correct that common misapprehension.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7099bFVHvs&t=378s
  
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  Is the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses REALLY the "faithful and discreet slave" of Matt. 24:45-47?

  by Roger Kirkpatrick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thesis: when someone who is given a responsibility mistakes that responsibility for authority, bullying is very likely to occur.. jesus spoke an illustration recorded at matthew 24: 45-51 which well illustrates this thesis.. jesus asked, “who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over all his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

  happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so.

  truly i say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings.

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  THESIS: When someone who is given a responsibility mistakes that responsibility for authority, bullying is very likely to occur.

  Jesus spoke an illustration recorded at Matthew 24: 45-51 which well illustrates this thesis.

  Jesus asked, “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over all his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to you, He will appoint him over all his belongings. But if ever that evil slave should say in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ and should start to beat his fellow slaves and should eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, and will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his part with the hypocrites. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.”

  Watch Tower teaches that Jesus was foretelling a time when he would appoint a faithful and discreet slave class over his followers on earth. However, nowhere did Jesus identify himself as the master.

  There are two features which must be fulfilled for one to fit Jesus’ model of a faithful and discreet slave, and both features were fulfilled by Jesus before he ascended to heaven. First, the slave must give the master’s domestics their food at the proper time. Do you remember when Jesus told his disciples, as recorded at John 16:12, “I have many things yet to say to you, but you are not able to bear them at present.” Clearly, Jesus was giving his disciples spiritual food at the proper time for them. Still, when Jesus spoke those words he had not yet proven his loyalty to the Father unto death.

  Second, after having been inspected and found to have fulfilled the first feature, that slave would be appointed over all the master’s belongings. Jesus also fulfilled this feature. After having proved his loyalty to the Father unto death and shortly following his resurrection, Jesus appeared to his disciples and as recorded at Matthew 28:18, “Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.”

  Since Jesus never identified himself as the master in his illustration, and since both features of a faithful and discreet slave find their fulfillment in Jesus, could it be that Jesus was pointing to himself as an example of a faithful and discreet slave? 1Peter 2:21 says, “In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you, leaving you a model for you to follow his steps closely.”

  In the July 2013 Study Edition of The Watchtower, the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses presumptuously declared itself to be the faithful and discreet slave of Jesus’ illustration, appointed by Jesus, they claim, over the “household of faith” in the year 1919. Why do we say presumptuously? Because the very same article admits that the inspection to determine whether the first feature was carried out properly and the subsequent appointment over all the master’s belongings is yet future!

  Does a slave typically demand obedience from those it serves, as the Governing Body demands from Jehovah’s Witnesses?

  That 2013 Watchtower article arrogantly boasted that, “When Jesus comes for judgment during the great tribulation, he will find that the faithful slave has been loyally dispensing timely spiritual food to the domestics. Jesus will then delight in making the second appointment—over all his belongings. Those who make up the faithful slave will get this appointment when they receive their heavenly reward, becoming corulers with Christ.”

  Do those sound like words declared by a humble slave? Or do they rather sound like the boasting of the evil slave which Jesus described following his description of the faithful and discreet slave?
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  The Execution of Ed Dunlap

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  amazing insights into wts doctrine and practice from a former bethelite who worked with ray franz on the aid book.. https://youtu.be/mz6mjycc7ag.

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  waton, do you remember Watchtower likening the anointed ones in the early 20th century and the message they preached to the stings of scorpions, and the depictions of horses having tails like scorpions? I vividly recall being told that just before the great tribulation, JWs would preach a judgment message which would have a similar effect. Well, what do we see now? JWs are sending the most pathetic hand-printed letters to their neighbors, including what amounts to Watchtower "junk mail." So, I composed a letter as if written by a sincere JW who takes to heart what the GB says is soon going to occur, and who is disgusted by the milquetoast message JWs preach today, and decides to "let it all hang out" regarding what JWs actually believe and practice. When JWs read the letter which I wrote and which has gone viral, the effect on THEM is like the stings of a scorpion, the reason being that the letter exposes the idiocy of Watchtower teachings which JWs have embraced and express among themselves at the KH, but don't have the courage to express to outsiders. A friend of mine posted a recording of her reading just a portion of my letter to an elder on the telephone, and you should hear the way he reacts to it. You can read the letter for yourself at www.jwletter.com. I have mailed copies of the letter to hundreds of church pastors throughout Texas, using the return address of the local KH in various communities. The letter includes the telephone numbers of WT offices in Warwick, Wallkill, and Patterson. One WT elder I spoke to confirmed that WT has received many calls in response to the letter, and he admitted to me that the letter accurately depicts JW beliefs and practices.
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  Introducing www.jwletter.com

  by Roger Kirkpatrick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  due to current restrictions, letter writing has replaced the door-to-door method of preaching.

  however, the typical jw practice of hand printing sappy and childish messages and enclosing what amounts to watchtower "junk mail" is enough to embarrass even xjws.

  i decided to compose a letter which completely "spills the beans" regarding current jw beliefs and practices, and here is why i did so.

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  Roger Kirkpatrick

  Yes, that is the letter I composed. Did it seem to you that he reacted as if he had been stung by a scorpion? Wasn't that how we were told by Watchtower that members of Christendom would react when faithful JWs preached a message of judgment just prior to the great tribulation? Remember the pictures of horses having scorpions for tails? Watchtower seems to assume that we would have forgotten or that we weren't paying attention to all the bullshit it was publishing as the good news in the '50s, '60s, and '70s.
  
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  The Execution of Ed Dunlap

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  amazing insights into wts doctrine and practice from a former bethelite who worked with ray franz on the aid book.. https://youtu.be/mz6mjycc7ag.

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  Roger Kirkpatrick

  waton, tribe of Joseph, eh? Whistleblowers, hated, and condemned by ruling majority? People after my own heart, then.
  
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  Introducing www.jwletter.com

  by Roger Kirkpatrick in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  due to current restrictions, letter writing has replaced the door-to-door method of preaching.

  however, the typical jw practice of hand printing sappy and childish messages and enclosing what amounts to watchtower "junk mail" is enough to embarrass even xjws.

  i decided to compose a letter which completely "spills the beans" regarding current jw beliefs and practices, and here is why i did so.

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  Roger Kirkpatrick

  Due to current restrictions, letter writing has replaced the door-to-door method of preaching. However, the typical JW practice of hand printing sappy and childish messages and enclosing what amounts to Watchtower "junk mail" is enough to embarrass even XJWs.

  
  

  I decided to compose a letter which completely "spills the beans" regarding current JW beliefs and practices, and here is why I did so. In the 1960s, when I was 15 years old, I was carefully trained to call, uninvited, on my neighbors, reading 3 scriptures, concluding with Rev. 18:4, and telling them that they were in a false religion which would soon be destroyed by Jehovah; and that, if they did not leave their religion and become a JW, they, too, would be destroyed. I shudder, now, recalling the things I said to people back then. But, we were told at that time that the nearer we got to the great tribulation, the more stinging our message would become. Well, clearly, that was another Watchtower lie, because the message preached by JWs today is a complete joke.

  
  

  So, I imagined a sincere JW who truly believes that the "great tribulation" is imminent, and who truly believes JWs are performing a life-saving preaching work, but who is completely put off by the milquetoast message preached by JWs today. That sincere JW believes it when Watchtower says that what matters is, not the message being preached but, rather, the righteously-disposed heart condition of the one hearing the message which will result in one being spared at Armageddon. One may never get a second chance, so one had better take full advantage of one's first opportunity to acquaint one's listeners with "Kingdom truth" as published by Watchtower and embraced by JWs worldwide. One would think that every JW would feel that kind of urgency if they truly believed what the GB tells them is going to happen very shortly. I purposely presented JW beliefs in language commonly used by the JWs I knew when discussing such beliefs among themselves, privately or at the KH. One online commenter loved the condescending and judgmental tone of the letter.

  
  

  I began circulating the letter, mailing copies to hundreds of church pastors throughout Texas, using the return address of the local KH in various communities. I listed the telephone numbers of Watchtower offices in Warwick, Wallkill, and Patterson, imagining that people would be so shocked by the letter that they would call to comment or ask questions. I even mailed a copy to myself, and showed my copy to a number of local JWs. They all read the entire letter, saying that it was clearly written by an apostate, but confirming the accuracy of the beliefs and practices described therein. I even called the numbers myself, and one Watchtower elder offered the same assessment. He also said that Watchtower had received numerous calls about the letter.

  
  

  I began sharing the letter on social media, and the response from XJWs has been very enthusiastic. Thanks to the efforts of individuals who clearly enjoyed the letter, it now has its own domain, www.jwletter.com, and has been translated into Spanish and other languages.

  
  

  In times past, Watchtower compared its judgment message and its effect on people as the sting of scorpions. Remember the pictures of horses with scorpion stingers for tails? JWs are clearly disturbed by my letter, as if being stung by a scorpion, and I know it is because they know that it exposes the idiocy of Watchtower teachings which they have wholeheartedly endorsed, even though they don't talk openly about such things except among themselves. Most people have known at least one JW, but nobody knows what JWs really believe. www.jwletter.com hopes to change all that.

  
  
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  The Execution of Ed Dunlap

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  amazing insights into wts doctrine and practice from a former bethelite who worked with ray franz on the aid book.. https://youtu.be/mz6mjycc7ag.

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  When my parents served as Special Pioneers in Oklahoma in the 1940s, Ed was their Circuit Overseer. Then, when my father became a congregation servant, in the late 1950s, he attended a school at Watchtower Farms, and Ed was his instructor. My parents often spoke of Ed with affection.

  My aunt and uncle were JW missionaries in Bogota, Colombia. They lived in the missionary home with Cynthia and Ray Franz while Ray served as the Colombian Branch Overseer. Eric Wilson (aka Meleti Vivlon) lived in Bogota as a young man, and he knew my aunt and uncle. My uncle claimed to be anointed, and admired Ray Franz very much. When Ray was disfellowshiped, my uncle never considered him to be apostate, but felt that Ray was being tested in similar fashion to the righteous man, Job.
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  1991 Watchtower study article just prior to WTS joining UN

  by Roger Kirkpatrick in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  please see the study article, “their refuge–a lie!” in the june 1, 1991 watchtower, noting paragraphs 1, 10 and 11. paragraph 1 calls christendom “that apostate religious organization.” why apostate?.

  paragraph 10 asserts that “she insinuates herself into the favor of the political leaders of the nations–this despite the bible’s warning that friendship with the world is enmity with god.” to support that assertion, paragraph 11 quotes an unnamed “recent book” which reports that “no fewer than 24 catholic organizations are represented at the un.” how were such organizations represented at the un?.

  the unnamed book quoted in paragraph 11 is new genesis by robert muller.

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  Please see the study article, “Their Refuge–A Lie!” in the June 1, 1991 Watchtower, noting paragraphs 1, 10 and 11. Paragraph 1 calls Christendom “that apostate religious organization.” Why apostate?

  Paragraph 10 asserts that “she insinuates herself into the favor of the political leaders of the nations–this despite the Bible’s warning that friendship with the world is enmity with God.” To support that assertion, paragraph 11 quotes an unnamed “recent book” which reports that “no fewer than 24 Catholic organizations are represented at the UN.” How were such organizations represented at the UN?

  The unnamed book quoted in paragraph 11 is New Genesis by Robert Muller. (See attachment #1.) The sentence immediately preceding the portion quoted by Watchtower states, “All major world religions are accredited to the United Nations as non-governmental organizations.” Why did Watchtower omit that significant statement?

  In the same year as that 1991 study article, the Watchtower Society also became accredited to the United Nations as a non-governmental organization, and served as publicity agents for the UN for the next 10 years–reapplying each consecutive year–until the alliance was exposed by the Guardian newspaper in October 2001, whereupon Watchtower withdrew its membership. (Watch Tower admits its affiliation to its Branch Committee in attachment #2.)

  Notice that Watchtower’s letter refers to the Guardian article as “published allegations by opposers,” yet later states that “we are grateful that this matter was brought to our attention.” No mention, however, is made of the June 1, 1991 study article.

  According to a public statement issued the UN’s Department of Public Information (UN/DPI), registered NGO’s had to “share the ideals of the UN charter” and “have a demonstrated interest in United Nations issues and a proven ability to reach large or specialized audiences.” (See attachment #3.)

  What is Watchtower policy regarding individual JWs who do what their organization did?

  “A person might renounce his place in the Christian congregation by his actions, such as becoming part of an organization whose objective is contrary to the Bible, and, hence, is under judgment by Jehovah God. So if one who is a Christian chose to join those who are disapproved of God, it would be fitting for the congregation to acknowledge by a brief announcement that he has disassociated himself and is no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.” (Sept. 15, 1981, Watchtower, p. 23, par. 15)

  “In joining the YMCA as a member a person accepts or endorses the general objectives and principles of the organization. . .Hence for one of Jehovah’s Witnesses to become a member of a so-called “Christian” association would amount to apostasy.” (Jan. 1, 1979, Watchtower p. 31)

  According to the standard by which it judged Christendom to be apostate, and in light of Jesus’ words at Mathew 12:37 that “by your words you will be condemned,” should the Watchtower Society be viewed as an apostate religious organization?